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Old 07-06-2011, 02:52 PM
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The First Muscle Car

What was the very first Muscle car?
A question that has sparked many a fevered dicussion.

Many look back to the Pontiac Tempest and its evolution into the GTO, first as an option and later as a clear model line in 1964, no doubt a Muscle car but not the first. The first of the classic era? Perhaps.

There are earlier examples of the basic formula of fitting the more powerful "full size" engine into the intermediate body for the purpose of performance.

The Oldsmobile Rocket of 1950 or the Hudson Hornet of 1951-4.
The Olds probably fit the "Muscle Car" criteria best in that the Olds Rocket V8 was initially destined for the large 98 series, stuffing the 135Hp V8 into the smaller 76 series gave birth to the Rocket 88. The Olds Rocket 88 was certainly built for performance and marketed as a performance car and raced very successfully. It seems to tick all of the boxes.
The Hudson Hornet with its 5 litre in line six was a year later and not so much an example of the big engine smaller body development line that we have come to expect from Muscle cars. A great performer clearly but just beaten out by the Olds 88.

There is however another contender.

In the first 3 decades of mainstream American car manufacture there was one brand that succeeded in developing a reputation for performance above all others.

Powered by the truly visionary "valve in head" engine developed by Buick ,in the period 1908-1910 Buick won more than half of all road races held in the USA with Wild Bob Burman or Louis Chevrolet at the wheel.
The very first race held at the famous Indianapolis Raceway was won by a Buick.
The Buick Bug set a lap record at Indianapolis of 105.87 mph on its very first lap and going on to dominate the 1910 season and set many American speed records. Buick competed in hill climbs and 200 mile events with dominance.
By 1911, Buick had more than 500 race win trophies, more than four times its nearest rival.
The First World War and the Depression limited the racing oportunities but Buick maintained a performance reputation that made them the car of choice for rum runners and mobsters resulting in perhaps the first American Muscle car in 1936.

Following some rough finaincial years Buick celebrated the engineering improvements and design advancements over their 1935 models by doing something new.
They took their smallest model, the Series 40, fitted it with the larger 320ci/165Hp Fireball straight 8 of the Series 90 and created the Buick Century. So named because it was capable of a sustained 100mph. A feat no other mainstream manufacturer could claim and later earning the nickname of "the Bankers Hotrod".

The 1936 Buick Century, a small bodied car fitted with the larger engine for the purposes of performance and targeted to a mainstream (albeit afluent) performance market.
The first Muscle Car.

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Old 07-06-2011, 05:11 PM
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Sorry guys, it was a Hemi Chrysler 300 that started it all.
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1964 Pontiac GTO..."The quintisential muscle car" and the first.

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Oh another thread...

Ok ok... Who has the biggest c*ck?

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I don't care one bit if you give a F$ck or not, comment, don't comment, no issue.
Just a topic for open discussion.
Quite happy for you to disagree, expect it, welcome it in fact.

Try hard? Ok, if you think so, just want to contribute on a subject that I know something about (not everything by any stretch).

Not a pissing contest, I am not trying to change your opinions, but am quite prepared to change mine.

If I had just asked an open question would anyone have even mentioned 1936? No, of course not, did any of you know anything about GM's early racing years?

Jeez, I just threw out an option thats all and the usual crowd of baggers and non-contributors feel the need to sink the boots in.

Sorry but 97 million posts about Camaros has sent me over the edge.

For those of you that bothered to comment constructively...

Chrysler 300? Often mentioned as a Muscle Car start point but many believe that although they were serious performers of the day, the target was the Luxury market and the significant cost put them well out of reach of all but the most afluent. This argument could also be used against the '36 Century, though not quite as luxurious as the 300's.

GTO? Very hard to get around this one, the first very successful Muscle Car?, sure, quintisential?, yep no doubt but it certainly had ancestors that are worthy of discussion.
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Colin,

I have the debate before and to be truthful, every time I have heard it there was no mention of pre WW2 cars. Some people will argue it was the Chrysler letter cars, other argue that it started with the 1957 Chev 150 sedan known as the "Black Widow". A stripped out version of the 2 door post car with a fuel injected 283 smallblock that allegedly made 283 horspower. Thus began the 1 horsepower per cube debate that some argue is what defines a musclecar. I think they are wrong with this particular argument, but the debate continues.

I certainly think that Buick can claim to have produced the fastest pure musclecar. On the all time top 100 list for 1/4 mile performance, the Buick GS Stage 1 was only bettered by the AC Cobra 427 Shelby and the L88 Corvette. Buicks arguement was that these two were such limited edition, special order cars that the GS Stage 1 should have been number one.

Hope this doesn't feed the ego too much and long live the small block chev, the all time leader for most races won

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