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Old 11-09-2015, 04:36 PM
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yeah by the the way you guys explain it, it does make a lot of sense, i probably could get away with lap if i wanted to push him, but i don't mind the look of the stock lap/sash kit i'm getting, as for the disc brakes and wheels, yes i do need to have the conversion certified, as it didn't come standard 4 wheel disc on the car plus i'm going with 18" wheels
OK. If you went with just a front disc conversion, and not front & rear, you could have avoided the engineer altogether.

Once you modify something that needs engineering (like your brakes), then all bets are off, and the rest of the car must be updated. Doesn't matter what your getting modified, and it doesn't matter what year it was built, or what ADR may apply to that year - that all becomes a moot point.

Because you're converting to 4 wheel disc brakes, you must have lap/sash seatbelts, front and back. No way around it. You may find you might even have to have retractable belts.
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Old 11-09-2015, 05:14 PM
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My car was engineered with the lap belt only for my 68 Charger.

I had a car dealer (importing ferraris etc) go over the car for me to get a blue slip, they had an engineer go over the car as everything had to be done legally, the car got hit back for some stuff, which I needed to get done before approval was given.

The lap belts were fine however.

In the 69 mustang, done by same place, got knocked back for not having retractable belt in front.

So 68 is fine, 69 is not.

That is all I know.

But as said, for my own safety, I wouldn't use just a lap in front. I would most definitely get a proper shoulder/lap belt for it regardless.

Sometimes I do not understand why people want to know this stuff... i mean, regardless of what is legal and is not legal, get a proper belt for your own sake.
Why did your Mustang get knocked back for not having retractable (I assume you mean like a modern inertia reel belt) belts in the front? Australian Fords in 1969 didn't have retractable seat belts and your Mustang is a 1969 Ford. Lap/sash for sure, but not retractable.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:06 PM
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Im pretty sure that this post is spot on as far as ADR's are concerned, unsure about the state regs in relation to which ones they enforce in full as I'm in WA but spent an hour on the phone today with Dept of Transport about this and the transport engineer gave this exact summary of the ADRs!
this is exactly what my engineer said to me.....only he wanted the same in the back of my 69 to
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:20 PM
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This should be quoted. Just because.
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:33 PM
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can she walk around like that legally ....i wouldn't think sooooooo
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:02 AM
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can she walk around like that legally ....i wouldn't think sooooooo
She can, but only if she has consulted with a bikini engineer (like myself), and had a full inspection before leaving the house.
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Old 12-09-2015, 06:26 PM
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She can, but only if she has consulted with a bikini engineer (like myself), and had a full inspection before leaving the house.
Ok as long as she is road worthy
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Why did your Mustang get knocked back for not having retractable (I assume you mean like a modern inertia reel belt) belts in the front? Australian Fords in 1969 didn't have retractable seat belts and your Mustang is a 1969 Ford. Lap/sash for sure, but not retractable.
Don't remember the specific details. I honestly don't even remember if the mustang had belts in the front to begin with. Maybe did but only lap... I honestly cant recall.

I know I wanted to get good belts, HEMCO were good, they made retractables... and maybe between that and what was said (+ a long time gone since) im blurring 2 different things here.

I just know Shoulder was needed in 69 mach 1, in 68 Charger was not. I also think not having shoulder in any model, is stupid regardless of whether you can or cant.

Think that covers everything
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Old 13-09-2015, 07:38 PM
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Once you modify something that needs engineering (like your brakes), then all bets are off, and the rest of the car must be updated. Doesn't matter what your getting modified, and it doesn't matter what year it was built, or what ADR may apply to that year - that all becomes a moot point.
Russ. Can you reference your source document for the above statement please.
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There is one thing that I can add...

The rules ADR and RTA information and what not... can be interpreted differently.

What I found is, some rules state "This n that" as an absolute... however, the engineers job is to know "all" the rules because then you may read another rule that completely dismisses the previous rule stated.

So it is knowing which one of them apply, and which set of rules you can go on to achieve your goal, n it is the Engineers job to know this and help you.

I remember reading this a long time ago... it may help with what I am trying to say:

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/vi...577&view=print

Nothing to do with our cars, but, it shows you how knowing an engineer that is willing to work with you can be a benefit in achieving what you are trying to achieve.

The end quote in that article: Just goes to show that if you follow the rule book closely in conjunction with an engineer thats willing to listen to you and understands and follows the project all the way through, anything is possible.

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Old 14-09-2015, 06:26 PM
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great response there G-man
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