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Old 04-12-2016, 03:35 PM
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69 Camaro - 'Pro Touring' build

OK here we go with the beginning of what I'm sure will be a long story.

I bought myself a 1969 Camaro a little over 2 years ago now. Since buying it, I had to wait the first 4 months before I could start working on it due to some projects underway at the house. After that I spent some time simply cleaning it up so that I could drive it and enjoy it for a little while.

Those details are in my other thread '69 Camaro - Stage 1 - Get it on the road'.

So after being able to enjoy driving it around, it's now time for the 'real' project to begin. I officially took the car off the road at the beginning of October this year.

Before I tell you about this project, I'll tell you a little bit about me.
I'm an IT guy, working in the financial services industry as a software developer ... so I have no trade qualifications of any sort. I've been a car nut for as long as I can remember and I love getting my hands dirty during my spare time.
One of the takeaways from my job that actually serves me well in my hobby is project planning. With a car build, as with software development projects, it's very important to have detailed requirements, clear expectations and a good plan.

With that said, I've put together a brief for what I'm about to embark upon.

What this car ISN'T
This is not a burnout car
This is not a drag car
This is not a dedicated race car
This is not a show car
This is not an era correct restoration

What this car IS
This is MY car
This is a 'Pro Touring' car (modern performance car wrapped in a 60's muscle car)
This is a street car
This is a car to be driven and enjoyed

Inspiration
Mark Stielow ... the 'father' of Pro Touring - style and engineering
Raj Mundi of 'Pro Touring Garage' - LOVE his car
There's also lots of inspiring stories right here on USMuscle, but in particular;
'tonner' (Greg) - "CRISIS"
'Skyper' (Allan)

Over the years I've often had discussions about new cars with mates, where we'll drool over some new release and then get to the price and say ' imagine if you put that much money into a (Camaro/Monaro/whatever), what sort of car you'd have '.

What do I want out of the car?
Style, reliability, performance (for street driving occasional track days)
Think 'HSV Club Sport'.
Must be able to get in and just 'go'.
Must accelerate hard, but just as equally must corner and brake hard.

Project guidelines
Do as much of the work as I can myself at home in my garage.
Experiencing the build process is just as important to me as owning the finished product.
Hand off bodywork and paint to the pro's (... I'm comfortable with a majority of tasks and will have a crack at anything, but I also know my weaknesses)

Proposed Specs
Body
2" Cowl Hood
Delete boot spoiler
Delete badges and side markers
Mini tubs
Drivetrain
LS3
TR6060 6 Speed Manual
9" with Truetrac centre, 31 spline axles
Suspension
Stock subframe
Front - McDonald Bros. A-arms with Viking (Double Adjustable) Coilovers
Rear - McDonald Bros. triangulated 4 link with Viking (Double Adjustable) Coilovers
Steering
RideTech 2" Drop Spindles
RideTech 'TruTurn' system
DSE (or similar) Power Steering box (12.7:1)
Brakes
KORE3 'Big Brake' kit (Hubs, brackets, lines)
Front - Corvette C6 Z06 - 6 Piston calipers, 355x32 rotors
Rear - Corvette C6 Z06 - 4 Piston calipers, 340x28 rotors
Interior
Custom gauges (most likely Speed Hut)
Push button start
Vintage Air

Finally ... here's two pictures for a reference.
On the left is what I'm starting with ... on the right is what I'm aiming for

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Old 04-12-2016, 04:01 PM
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Day 1

Started work by firstly removing all of the 'simple' stuff from the outside of the car.

Removed
  • External mirrors
  • Aerial
  • Wiper arms
  • 'Fake' fasteners from bonnet
  • Front and rear bumpers
  • Grill and beaver panel badges
  • Trim rings and centre caps from wheels
  • Boot spoiler

Here's the bonnet and the boot lid, after removal of clips/spoilers ... dents and all ...

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At this stage I plan on keeping both panels.
The bonnet has a major dent in the middle (toward the front) of the cowl ... plus the rusty holes left by the cruddy 'fake' bonnet pins.
The boot simply has holes left in it from the spoiler.

Here's a rear profile with most of the external bits removed ...

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Old 04-12-2016, 04:15 PM
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Day 2

List of bits to come off the car got a little longer on day 2.

Removed
  • Taillights
  • Headlight surrounds
  • Headlights
  • Marker lights
  • Header panel
  • Grill
  • Parker/indicator lights
  • Rocker molding
  • Quarter panel louvers
  • Rear quarter window molding
  • Roof drip moldings
  • Roof pillar moldings
  • Front window upper moldings

Header panel looks good, so I'll be keeping that one but there's definitely question marks hanging over a lot of the other front panels ... more on that in future posts.

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Metal around the front window looks really clean (rust wise), but we'll find out the real truth once it gets stripped bare.

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Old 04-12-2016, 04:24 PM
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Day 3

Only had a little bit of spare time today, so I decided to remove the moldings from the rear window.

The car has no signs of leaks or rust (that I can see so far) around this window, but when I removed the moldings I found a heap of debris that's obviously been building up over the years.

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The moldings themselves are peppered with dents and scratches galore ... they'll be going in the bin in lieu of nice shiny replacements.

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Old 04-12-2016, 04:37 PM
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Whilst tearing this car apart, I've been taking notes along the way.

With each part that I remove, I need to decide if it forms part of the final build or not.
If it does ... is it good enough to keep or do I need to replace it?
If it doesn't ... is it good enough to sell or do I 'throw' it?

Well today (early October), the first of my 'replace' items arrived.

I bought some nice shiny new wiper arms and wiper blades.
Combination of polished stainless and bright chrome pieces.

Deliveries like this will be a nice contrast to dealing with all the dirt and nasty surprises during the tear down.

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Old 04-12-2016, 04:51 PM
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On the topic of parts and deliveries ... I should add in that I had a few parts delivered before I took the car off the road.

In August this year I ordered some parts from Detroit Speed and Engineering (DSE) in the states.

One certainty (for me) in this build is that the car will be mini tubbed and have a four link installed.
I went ahead and ordered a DSE 'mini tub' kit, which includes the tubs themselves plus the replacement pieces for the frame rail cutouts. Whilst making my order I also decided to buy one of their firewall plates. Since I'll be going with "Vintage Air" for this build, there's no need for the large holes that are currently in the firewall for the factory kit.

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The kit will give me a couple of extra inches of 'inboard' wheel well, whilst retaining a near factory look.

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Old 06-12-2016, 09:17 PM
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Whilst tearing this car apart, I've been taking notes along the way.

With each part that I remove, I need to decide if it forms part of the final build or not.
If it does ... is it good enough to keep or do I need to replace it?
If it doesn't ... is it good enough to sell or do I 'throw' it?

Well today (early October), the first of my 'replace' items arrived.

I bought some nice shiny new wiper arms and wiper blades.
Combination of polished stainless and bright chrome pieces.

Deliveries like this will be a nice contrast to dealing with all the dirt and nasty surprises during the tear down.
Some advice.
It's so easy pulling a car to pieces, the challenge is putting it back together, so;
Take heaps of photos (another good thing about digital cameras)
Tag & bag everything
Don't throw anything out until you have the replacement in hand.

Good luck with the build, looks like it's going to be a beauty.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:16 PM
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Coming along nicely mate! I'm building a very similar car myself out of a 70 camaro.

We've also started roughly at the same time. Hopefully we can bounce some ideas and knowledge off each other
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:34 PM
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Coming along nicely mate! I'm building a very similar car myself out of a 70 camaro.

We've also started roughly at the same time. Hopefully we can bounce some ideas and knowledge off each other
For sure! That's what I love about this forum.
I'm keen to share my journey but I'm also looking forward to being involved in other peoples projects too.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:28 PM
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Good to see another IT guy getting his hands dirty, I feel like a bit of a lone ranger in my office

Project looks great! The most important thing at the beginning is knowing what you want to have in the end, so your off to a great start and already have a good stockpile of new bits! I will be watching this one closely!

For OEM parts its also worth checking out NPD and Classic Ind, they both do really good repo products.
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Good luck Jase, you've started off on a cracking pace - but quite the adventure ahead of you
DSE Quadralink is worth every penny if you can justify it - awesome for getting power to the ground
But quite the expensive game, pro-touring builds, if you've planned and budgeted ok you shouldn't have to chase up too much extra cash - the hardest thing is sticking to an original plan, newer/better products are always popping up causing us to rethink our current setups (my 'Angelina' is about to hit a new evolution phase)
As I said, good luck with the build, looking forward to seeing it unfold
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I am quite interested in those Halo's headlights myself.... where abouts did you get these from and do they require much modification to the headlight bucket to fit??
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:41 AM
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I am quite interested in those Halo's headlights myself.... where abouts did you get these from and do they require much modification to the headlight bucket to fit??
There are loads of these available from a whole variety of sources, both here and overseas.

I ended up buying some 'cheapies' off eBay : http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/322267708583

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The back of the headlight bucket requires modification (with a holesaw) to open it up, so that it can accommodate the additional depth and width of these lights.

I'll post up detailed pics when I get around to fitting them.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:14 PM
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One of the biggest changes I will be making to the interior of my car is the dash.

Personally I don't like the '69 Camaro standard dash at all. I don't like that it's made of plastic and I really don't like the 'split' design with the big plastic protrusion in the centre. At a reasonably tall 6 foot 3, I also don't like the angle that they sit at.
I will be replacing it with something aftermarket.

When I started shopping around I was shocked at how expensive the aftermarket inserts can be
My favourite aftermarket setup is the insert that DSE make ... but I it'll cost me over $1000 AUD by the time it arrives here ... and that's before I think about buying gauges!

I really like that way it looks though ... as per Jeff Dupont's Camaro here :
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As mentioned above ... one of the other aspects of the dash that bugs me is that centre 'protrusion'. After a little research I found out that '69 - '70 Novas share the same dash architecture as the Camaro ... but without the centre protrusion!
There's plenty of examples out there where guys have converted between the two on respective vehicles. I think this is the way that I'll go for mine.

With that in mind, I stumbled across a build on the Fesler site where they made their own dash insert for a '70 Nova :
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This has inspired me.

Firstly I went ahead and ordered a set of gauges.
After a bit of research, I settled on a gauge kit from Speedhut in the US.
I love the 'Legacy' series of guages they do ... so I now have a kit on order, which should be here mid January.

Secondly I figured ... how hard could it be to make one of these inserts?
(Famous last words ... I know ).
When you break it down into components, there's not a lot of complex shapes here.

So ... I've decided to give it a crack.
Worst case is that I mess it up, throw it in the bin and buy something aftermarket anyway.
Best case is that it actually works out and I end up saving myself a heap of money.
Besides ... these seems like a whole lot of fun to me.

I started with the easiest piece first. The main portion of the insert is simply flat surface with a couple of bends. After spending a bit of time determining how much space I wanted for the two areas, I pieced a cardboard template together.

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Next I tackled the left hand edge.
For this I used some paper to wrap/trace around the factory piece.

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I then took this to cardboard and mocked up a piece to suit the centre panel.

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After that it was a case of repeating the same process for the right hand side.

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Next step will be to get my hands on some cold rolled steel sheet and start the real work!
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:36 PM
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The next major task on my list is to get the car sent out and stripped back to bare metal.
I plan on taking it somewhere to get it stripped and epoxy coated ... but I want ALL surfaces done ... outside, inside and underneath.
I'm currently shopping for a rotisserie so that I can achieve this.

Most of these businesses are currently closed for the Christmas break, but I plan on booking in mid-January when they reopen.
Anyone dealt with "The Blast Factory" (in Coburg) before?
(I saw them on 'Resto My Ride' and they seem like a reasonable company.)

Anyhow ... before getting all of that done, there's a few pieces of the car I can definitely rip into.

I went to visit the guys at "East Coast Mustang and Camaro" last week to stock up on parts that I know I'll need.
Mostly bought items like stainless trim for front and rear windows ... plus brand new quarter window glass and so forth.
Amongst this, I bought a pair of cowl 'shoulder' pieces.

The cowl shoulders on my car have issues.
The right hand side shoulder was both rusty and accident damaged.
The left hand side should was simply rusty.

Here's the new pieces that I bought :

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I decided to get my hands dirty and start removing the right hand side.
Before I started this I ordered myself a spot weld cutting tool (kit) from eBay :

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What an absolute ripper! It made light work of the spot welds and made my task so much easier.

Here's what I started with :

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I removed the 'outer' section of the shoulder first, using a combination of the spot weld cutter, a 4" angle grinder (with cut off wheel) and a small cold chisel.
I have an air chisel but haven't found the need to use it just yet.

This piece was fairly easy going, mostly because it was so damn rusty and just fell to pieces!

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The remaining steel took me a lot longer to rip out ... but I got there.
Thankfully the steel underneath is in quite good shape and (I think) will come up nicely after blasting and a bit of treatment.

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Next job on the list is to do the same on the left hand shoulder.
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