Jaf's Christmas Cruise - Adelaide

[alp003]

Hi, can anyone shed some light on the date, time and departure point of Jaf's Christmas Cruise? I thought Sunday 27th but some disagree.

I guess it is still open to all makes and models. I attended the last three years and the number and quality of cars was excellent. Thanks.

[Nev68]

Hi, can anyone shed some light on the date, time and departure point of Jaf's Christmas Cruise? I thought Sunday 27th but some disagree.

I guess it is still open to all makes and models. I attended the last three years and the number and quality of cars was excellent. Thanks.

Check the SMASA forum, I'm pretty sure there's a thread on there.
Chrysler Car club's site shows Jaf's cruise on 27th December but the location is "TBA", not sure if it's on or not.

[dij427]

Dec 27th, 7pm west lakes mall new start due to 500+ cars last Year!

[alp003]

Thanks for that

[crossram 426]

and how'd it go.....we want pics, please

[70mach1]

pix

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11282492&page=2&pp=25

[alp003]

and how'd it go.....we want pics, please

Sorry no pictures but what a cruise!! Probably 500-600 cars from Monaro's and Camaro's to GT's and Mustangs with every possible make and model in between. I even saw a fully restored 1960s Datsun Bluebird and a very early factory correct VW beetle. I have attended many cruises over the last few years but last night I saw so many new cars for the first time, where did they all come from?

I hope someone posts some photos because I only got to see about a 1/3 of the car park at West Lakes.

[70mach1]

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[alp003]

If you can only make it to one Adelaide cruise a year make sure its JAFS XMAS CRUISE Monday December 27th, 7.00pm at West Lakes. Its HUGE!!!

[SYC 427]

If you can only make it to one Adelaide cruise a year make sure its JAFS XMAS CRUISE Monday December 27th, 7.00pm at West Lakes. Its HUGE!!!

750+ cars last year expecting over a 1000 tonight.

[Nev68]

Can't make it.
Flat tyres (x 2).:(
Not sure what the problem is
Can't find any nails or other objects
I've just tightened the valves and inflated them again but I don't want to risk be stranded with 2 flat tyres.
Someone take some pix please

[alp003]

Can't make it.
Flat tyres (x 2).:(
Not sure what the problem is
Can't find any nails or other objects
I've just tightened the valves and inflated them again but I don't want to risk be stranded with 2 flat tyres.
Someone take some pix please

Are they metal tyre valves? Not sure whether someone was spinning me some s--- but I was told many years ago that metal valves tend to leak if sitting around on tyres that are not being used.

I therefore replaced mine with rubber valves and never had another leak.

[alp003]

Had of been at least 750 cars last night. Lots of great Australian muscle cars in the mix but given this website I have only attached US muscle shots.
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[chevelle]

It had to be close to a 1000 plus cars, over 700 last year and the West Lakes car park was fuller more last night than last year. Also there had to be approx 200 cars at Tea Tree Plaza at the same time.
Also a nice Police presence. Police cars and bikes everywhere, which resulted in defects and near punch ups with police and cruisers.
That was the last Jafs Christmas cruise that we were told. Its a shame as its the best cruise night to go to in Adelaide.

[Nev68]

Are they metal tyre valves? Not sure whether someone was spinning me some s--- but I was told many years ago that metal valves tend to leak if sitting around on tyres that are not being used.

I therefore replaced mine with rubber valves and never had another leak.

Yep, Metal valve bodies.
Got the soapy water out after adding some air and found leaks where the valve seals to the rim.
Just had them fitted to my new painted rally rims (They are factory wheels for you Regency boys)

Looks like a fantastic turnout.
What's this about it being the last Jaf's cruise?

[alp003]

The police (and SA Government for that matter) have no intention of building a constructive relationship with the car enthusiast community and that was clearly demonstrated last night.

Three motorbike police nearly caused a riot when they entered the car park and defected a parked VL Calais. A better decision would have been to stay out of the car park and pull over offending drivers one on one in the street. This would have avoided last night’s ugly West Lakes car park incident.

I was part of a group of seven cars (none of which should be considered illegal) but as a result of that incident we all decided to give the cruise to TTP a miss and head home. Thought that the incident may have created a huge and unnecessary police presence along the cruise route and at TTP.

Is this why Jaf has decided to call it quits?

[chevelle]

The police (and SA Government for that matter) have no intention of building a constructive relationship with the car enthusiast community and that was clearly demonstrated last night.

Three motorbike police nearly caused a riot when they entered the car park and defected a parked VL Calais. A better decision would have been to stay out of the car park and pull over offending drivers one on one in the street. This would have avoided last night’s ugly West Lakes car park incident.

I was part of a group of seven cars (none of which should be considered illegal) but as a result of that incident we all decided to give the cruise to TTP a miss and head home. Thought that the incident may have created a huge and unnecessary police presence along the cruise route and at TTP.

Is this why Jaf has decided to call it quits?

Apparently was decided prior to this incident. It was on his route flyer that it was the last. Looks like the S.A. Government was sending a clear message that they dont want car cruises.
All ive got to say is i am not afraid of cruising my car. I was looking at the numerous parked police officers straight in the eye while driving past them. Couple officers nodded at me as i drove past.
This is a joke, a waste of a good car cruise and night.

[70mach1]

Well it figures coming from a government ruled by a premier who doesn't even hold a drivers license and has an on going love affair with Lance Armstrong.

Unfortunately yet another sad and non-productive chapter for SA car enthusiasts.

[alp003]

I would love to be as confident as 'chevelle' but I have been defected in the past and it was a terrible experience. There was no HOON activity on my behalf, I simply pulled into a RBT, blew 0.00 but was told to pull up down the street where they issued a defect notice.

The car wouldn't be considered modified and the things he picked on were pathetic, I'm no junior - too old with too many family and financial responsibilities to go HOONING!!!!

But at the end of the day they treated me like a common criminal and I have never really enjoyed driving the same car since.

Don't get too confident, the system in SA has reached a point where police and Regency Park inspectors will make life extremely difficult for anyone who drives a muscle car - standard or not!!!

[chevelle]

Well alp003, i have also been defected many years ago because i was a stubborn prick who should of left when the officer told me. But if they are going to scare people into not driving their cars, well i suggest owners of classic and muscle cars sell their cars and look for another hobby.
If your car is engineered like the blue camaro you took photos of, you aint got nothing to worry about even if they defect it..

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[67cammy]

Yep, Metal valve bodies.
Got the soapy water out after adding some air and found leaks where the valve seals to the rim.
Just had them fitted to my new painted rally rims (They are factory wheels for you Regency boys)

Looks like a fantastic turnout.
What's this about it being the last Jaf's cruise?

I have the same trouble with my metal valves Nev. The two fronts kept going down till I tightened them up and still have a bit of trouble with one of them.

Extremely disappointing to hear about the defects handed out last night. Just seen it on the news. However..as said before if the car is engineered and everything is done properly and legally you dont have that to worry about. A guy was on tv with his HK sedan which he chopped the roof off and made a convertible (with no engineers report) and saying it shouldnt have got defected coz it didnt need a report because of its age. That doesnt sound right to me, I would of thought it needed an engineer.
Anyway it doesnt make you feel too good to have police breathing down your neck even if your car is legal. Good old SA!

[blackoutsteve]

A guy was on tv with his HK sedan which he chopped the roof off and made a convertible (with no engineers report) and saying it shouldnt have got defected coz it didnt need a report because of its age. That doesnt sound right to me, I would of thought it needed an engineer.

You're right, it certainly would need to be engineered. I don't think that guy realizes (or cares) how much weaker the strength of the car has become with the removal of the roof.
Age of the car has nothing to do with it. He's probably confused with it being pre-ADR and thinks that the engineering requirement is related to that and therefore exempt.

[alp003]

That ugly scenes at last nights cruise just made the channel 7 news headlines.

Yes 'Chevelle', the only thing on my car requiring a report is a 9 inch with disk brake set-up which has been properly approved and the paperwork is always carried in the car.

But hey, on the street we're dealing with naive cops, many of which do not know what they are looking at. Engineered of not, if they need to make their quota then someone is going to get a defect. I have a mate who’s a cop and he tells me that many of the traffic cops know little about what’s right and what’s not on a car; however, they are placed under pressure to generate revenue and meet quotas. Their attitude is, "regency can deal with it".

When I got defected the officer couldn't be bothered checking the facts, simply said:
- "looks too low but I'm not getting under to check the height"
- "sound too loud"
- "seat belts don't seem to retract fast enough"?????????

At the time I knew that both the height and sound were legal. I offered to get under the car myself but he was not interested. As for the seatbelts - he pulled the belt with his right hand and when it slowly retracted (as old GM cars do) he said unacceptable - WHAT THE?????

The Camaro was one of my favourites and given the late issue number plate I'm sure that he has done everything by the book, but get the wrong cop on the wrong night and none of his hard work and attention to detail will matter. My car is shy pussy cat compared to that Camaro but I still got defected.

I would hope more than ever that the police would take note of an engineers report but like my cop mate said - they don't care, let Regency deal with it.

I've only shared the police side of my story; the Regency Park side of the story was the real nightmare. I don't ever want to go back to that place again!!!

[chevelle]

alp003, as i wrote previous,
If your car is engineered like the blue camaro you took photos of, you aint got nothing to worry about even if they defect it..

So if that blue one gets defected from a naive cop just take it through and get it passed. I know all about the cops, they will defect what they want , engineers papers or not.

Those 3 old police officers on their bikes last night, they know what they are looking at. They are the worst 3 you can get to look at your car.

Regency Park doesnt worry me, because if i have a problem with an inspector who tells me that i have to do this to my car because its not right and i know its right i just get him to call the chief inspector and then we get it sorted out. Especially when the chief inspector tells the inspector its right what i have said. And this was over front seatbelts in my 68 camaro. I aint going to drive out of there and go spend money changing things on my car that i dont even have to. So think about this, how many guys have driven out of Regency Park and changed things on their car that dont even have to be changed.
Every car i have taken through they pick something, but i stand my ground if i know im right.

Let me put to you this way. For Left Hand Drive rego, it is up to you to provide all relevant proof of what comes out on your car. Take books, photos and any other material you can to show them what was equipped and an option on that car.
I have taken all sorts of material and they know, they say bring your book out and show me what you want to show me.
The guys at Regency are pretty much ok. They dont know everything, they should, its their job to do so, but like i said, if you take the proof that your car was equipped or optioned with what you have on your car then you will be fine.

It comes down to luck of the draw.

[alp003]

Yep, agree with your comments.

I know a lot more than I did back five years ago when I was defected. Probably would speak up a little more rather than play the quite polite role that didn't work for me back then.

But at the end of the day is all this crap really necessary. Why don't the police take notice of us and our paperwork and why do we have to go to so much effort to prove a point when dealing with Regency Park? as for Left Hand Rego.............don't go there. SA seems to cop it more than any other state.

I just think that the whole situation in this state has taken the fun out of being a car enthusiast. My next project will be a 100% factory spec restoration, hopefully this will keep the revenue raisers at bay.

Good luck 'chevelle', keep them honest!

and I hope someone takes over Jafs Christmas Cruise 2011

[REDZ-28]

Enjoyed my first and probably last Jafs cruise last night (if the rumour of it being the last one is true).
I couldn't believe how many cars were there. The quality of some of the cars was outstanding.

I have a question though. When I took my LHD 1972 Camaro through regency they told me that it had to stay as it left the factory and any mods I did, I had to prove that they were available as a factory option. I saw LHD cars last night that were very obviously highly modified. Are these engineered or are these guys just taking the risk?

[67cammy]

Enjoyed my first and probably last Jafs cruise last night (if the rumour of it being the last one is true).
I couldn't believe how many cars were there. The quality of some of the cars was outstanding.

I have a question though. When I took my LHD 1972 Camaro through regency they told me that it had to stay as it left the factory and any mods I did, I had to prove that they were available as a factory option. I saw LHD cars last night that were very obviously highly modified. Are these engineered or are these guys just taking the risk?

I see a couple of them in the pics. The blown red Camaro with the carbs out the bonnet was at the Uraidla show and it had Qld rego. Another in the pics has Vic. rego. Either they are registered interstate or as you say some would be taking the chance of cops not knowing about the regs or just generally hoping they dont get caught out

[barry_v]

You're right, it certainly would need to be engineered. I don't think that guy realizes (or cares) how much weaker the strength of the car has become with the removal of the roof.
Age of the car has nothing to do with it. He's probably confused with it being pre-ADR and thinks that the engineering requirement is related to that and therefore exempt.

Actually the guy knows what he's talking about. We walk the tight rope with regards to modifications, keeping the cars technically legal. Its very distressing going to all the trouble to stay within the rules and still being penalized because the copper would rather 'let regency sort it out'.

anyway, heres the rules in black and white.

The upper body structure or roof of a passenger car contributes significantly to the total strength of the body of a unit construction vehicle and its removal can seriously affect structural integrity of the original design of the vehicle.

There are no specific Regulations under the Road Traffic Act that makes it an offence to remove the roof or upper body structure of a motor vehicle. However, in the case of passenger cars and passenger car derivatives manufactured on or after 1st January 1969 the removal of a vehicles roof may interfere with the ADR 5A, 5B or 5/00, relating to the upper seat belt anchorages.

Consequently, passenger cars and derivatives manufactured on or after 1st January 1969 will only be acceptable to Transport SA if an engineering report prepared by a Chartered Professional Engineer is supplied.

The report must demonstrate that the modified vehicle continues to comply with all applicable ADRs, and that the vehicle meets with Transport SA Torsional Rigidity and Beaming Stiffness Test Procedures as outlined in
Engineering Instruction Number 8.

In the case of passenger cars and derivatives manufactured prior to 1st January 1969 no approval or inspection of the modified vehicle is required, however, it is recommended that the services of a Chartered Professional Engineer are engaged to ensure that the integrity of the vehicle has not been compromised.

[blackoutsteve]

Wow, thanks for that Barry, and welcome to the forum. :)
Shows how stupid the law is when it openly acknowledges the strength of a vehicle is seriously compromised by removing the roof, yet allows the car to be a threat to itself and others on the road simply because it's pre-ADR. You'd think they'd mandate an engineer's report.
But yes, he's right.

Sounds like the ruling of vehicles post 1Jan67 / pre 1Jan69, where American seat belts are unroadworthy and not allowed, yet fitting no seat belts at all is quite acceptable.

However, I do know what you mean regarding the cops writing tickets with no idea with what they are talking about, as if to do nothing but purely to inconvenience us. Did you know my 69 Camaro needs mudflaps too?? :rolleyes:
I also got a near $300 fine for having bias tyres once. The moron cop didn't even bother (or care) to check that pre 1Jan1973 vehicles are allowed to have bias. He just wrote it out and sent it in the mail. I got it 2 days later. Naturally. I called him and explained to that idiot Traffic Operations Group police officer what the law was and had it revolked.

Why are police disliked I wonder?

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[barry_v]

Wow, thanks for that Barry, and welcome to the forum. :)
Shows how stupid the law is when it openly acknowledges the strength of a vehicle is seriously compromised by removing the roof, yet allows the car to be a threat to itself and others on the road simply because it's pre-ADR. You'd think they'd mandate an engineer's report.
But yes, he's right.


I thought i'd point it out, it is important to know the rules when you're modifying cars. Although at first glance it seems like a bizzare rule, if you do a bit of research its not as outlandish as it seems. I've seen several 'engineered' convertibles and their solution to body flex is almost always a couple of lengths of steel welded underneath the floorpan (usually in an untidy fasion reducing ground clearance). Spending several thousand dollars to have a nice report describing the specifics doesnt make the car any safer!

on a similar note a friend's turbocharged 351 XB coupe recently passed regency with no engineer's report because he carefully stayed within the rules. although it won't stop the odd copper defecting you, sticking to the rules does help you out at regency park.

[383coupe]

hey guys, was directed here from another forum. Just had to make a correction, this was not the last ever Jaf's cruise.
It's called Jaf's last cruise, as it's always been the last cruise before the new year, every year :)
He has already posted a page on FaceBook for the dec 2011 cruise.

As for mods for certain-year vehicles, there's a bit you can get away with here in SA if you look into the rules.
Pre-1974 (ADR26) vehicles can have supercharged or turbocharged engines and not have to be engineered, as long as they meet or better he factory emissions levels (4.5% CO for 1974).
I have a dec 1973 falcon coupe (white one with convos, cowl scoop and orange stripes, that was on the cruise last night), that has a turbocharged cleveland in it. It was defected recently (by one of the bike cops from lastnight) and went through regency as is. Vehicle standards had a look, and i now carry paper work saying my rollcage, bonnet, and turbocharger are all legal.
Of course there are other aspects that come in to it, like visual obstruction with 6/71 blowers etc, but there are some loopholes in their rules. I really feel for you owners of LHD cars though.

[67cammy]

If you get defected even though you know there is nothing wrong with your car and get sent to Regency is there a cost involved (Im thinking $50) to get it looked at? If so can you apply to get that money back if the car is ok or is it lost as well as your time.

[chevelle]

If you get defected even though you know there is nothing wrong with your car and get sent to Regency is there a cost involved (Im thinking $50) to get it looked at? If so can you apply to get that money back if the car is ok or is it lost as well as your time.


Of course there is a cost involved and it aint 50 dollars. It was 70 dollars 20 years ago. Its around 260-280 dollars now. I had a go at them when i went there two years ago, i said to them you had a slight price increase. No money back from the S.A. Government.

[67cammy]

You've gotta be kidding me! $280 to get a defect off! That is just criminal.

[blackoutsteve]

Sorry guys, but I would simply abandon your state.
Leave!

[skywalker]

Wow thanks for the pics, some Tough Mopar Muscle there, pitty about the gov't bull#@%* that suxs

[383coupe]

its currently $174 for the first defect inspection, if you fail and have to go back, it's $68 each time until it passes. That was how much it was when i went through last month.

[chevelle]

Its cheaper than going for a LHD inspection. Would of thought it was the same price. Both same inspection. Its the same price of $68 if have to go back if fail with LHD inspection. My $280 was for the two inspections for LHD rego, so i think its around $205 for the first if im right, but it allways seems like it has to go through twice lately. Used to be able to get it passed in one go.

[67cammy]

but it allways seems like it has to go through twice lately. Used to be able to get it passed in one go.

:mad: Yes I wonder why that is......CA..CHING! I think the last time I had a defect is when I was a kid and it cost nothing to go the local cop shop and get it taken off, that's why I was shocked at what they charge now.

Does anyone have any info on that blue tubbed 68 Camaro? I think it's a bit gorgeous! Interesting how it has a rollcage. I knew you could have them if you remove the back seat etc. but I thought they were going to do away with being able to have them at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo2ePtIbykM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[383coupe]

rollcages are still allowed, rules are it has to be a half cage, rear seat and seatbelts removed, and there has to be 150mm between your head and the bars with the seats in their furthest back position.
I've got one in my falcon, it was checked (and passed :) ) when the turbo was looked at. Ive got a drivers side intrusion bar that bolts in, for when i race.
My cowl scooped bonnet was also passed.

[SYC 427]

Does anyone have any info on that blue tubbed 68 Camaro? I think it's a bit gorgeous! Interesting how it has a rollcage. I knew you could have them if you remove the back seat etc. but I thought they were going to do away with being able to have them at all.

dave, the work was done by Zagarri at windsor gardens, engineered legally as a 2 seater. owner is Sav got rego early this year i think, ive only seen it when it was at Zagarris being built not since finished.TUFF CAR,

[qik66]

Was that the start of a cruise or the post Christmas sales:eek: An amazing turnout, could only dream of that many cars at an event up here in Townsville

[67cammy]

dave, the work was done by Zagarri at windsor gardens, engineered legally as a 2 seater. owner is Sav got rego early this year i think, ive only seen it when it was at Zagarris being built not since finished.TUFF CAR,

Thanks Gary, you wouldn't happen to know what he is running under the bonnet would you. Hopefully I'll get to see it in the flesh one day.

[SYC 427]

dave bbc not sure on size, google jafs cruise part 1, then part 2 and 3,good watch too many cars turned up for an organised cruise.

[chevelle]

MONDAY 26TH DECEMBER 2011 starting at WEST LAKES WESTFIELD 7 P.M.

SAME ROUTE AS LAST YEARS CRUISE.

[chevelle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UReOOKyXJQg

[alp003]

Thanks for posting up the link.

Certainly some nice cars at West Lakes but no where near as big as last year, I think many left the car at home as they were worried that the police would go hard after last years incident in the car park.

Reading around a few forums during the last couple of days and people are saying that defects were handed out to everything from American and Aussie Muscle, to bikes, ricers and rotaries. Seems like even a few of the more tame looks cars got slapped with a defect. I stayed at West Lakes after everyone left for TTP and at least five motorcycle police (two of which were undercover on black bikes) were waiting at the West Lakes car park intersection for the cars to return. On another forum someone was suggesting that the police were dressed up as "bogan" (he said that) enthusiasts so that they could get up close to the cars, sounds feasible considering the attention police got when they entered the car park last year.

I heard that JAF did a lot of work with the police this year in the hope that the event would not be seen as a revenue raising opportunity - however, sounds like Regency Park will be booked out with inspections for weeks!