HID Lighting for 1st gen's

[EAT-30T]

Has anyone had any experience with installing HID xenon Lighthing into a 1st gen camaro??? The ballasts and bulbs are no issue I know where to get those but what I'm wondering is whats a good headlamp assembly to use them in??

I jumped into a discussion on TC a while back

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111200

Anyone care to shed some light? (excuse the pun) :p

[muggz]

Kurt,

Id love to get some for mine eventually! Im not sure the ruling for installing such a setup on a car that didnt come with it from factory? To be honest, its better than normal headlights!

But to answer your question, if you get the headlamp casing that has the removable bulbs, then im sure you can retrofit the HID's. I used to run 'Blue light' bulbs on my old 68 impala... i just went to a parts shop to get 2 new headlamp housings.

[EAT-30T]

Guess what you really need is a projector... but a generic 7" lamp with a H4 plug in will do as long as it has a good reflector bucket and clear lense... the clear lense I find is essential so it doesn't spread the beam at the lense....more so it projects off the reflector bucket and straight out of the lense..... have you ever seen old like 80's model cars with reflector type lense with a HID kit... looks shocking.. its just like a blur at the lense rather than a nice beam....

I have XENON's in my daily and can't go backwards :rolleyes: I'll dig alittle deeper see what I can find!

[EAT-30T]

CHA CHING $$$$$$$$$$$

http://images.marketworks.com/hi/56/55945/rm_roundlight.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-81-Chevy-Camaro-Van-HID-Projector-Headlights-69-74_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ013QQitemZ 230224652356QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

This is the sh*t!!!!!! Got the projector and all!!!!!

Sneaky sneaky on the shipping price but hey thats cool... Gonna get these!

[SirGeo]

how much to ship to Aus?

[RSZ28]

So these are Xenon HID's with projector lenses that dont need a ballast/high voltage supply etc?

[EAT-30T]

how much to ship to Aus?


I emailed em.... I'll wait and see?? I want em

Looking at it though... they are one of them sellers that put a low sell price and jack you on shipping.... the lower sell price means they pay stuff all fees to us the consumer its all in the same sh*t..

[EAT-30T]

So these are Xenon HID's with projector lenses that dont need a ballast/high voltage supply etc?


Well they have a projector lamp (as you can see) tht takes a standard size H4 globe... those globes they give you are a load of sh*t... I'll launch them straight into the bin....they're probably a great way to melt your wiring loom :rolleyes: XENON ballasts don't draw any more current than your factory halogen globes...Be careful buying high powered halogens... as mentioned above good way to melt your wiring..

I'm going to get a Proper H4 sized XENON globe and ballast setup... perhaps even BI XENON's so you can have dipped and high beam :) perfect!!!

There is also some mob in the states that makes adapters so you can run OEM type XENON globes etc.. like D2R's in a H4 housing... I can't see the point.. I've f*cked around a bit with xenon and done lots of research... I can tell you this ... the difference between a $1000 HID kit and $1000 HID kit NONE..... only the lifespan but the outcome the same.... From what I've read.. the main difference is in the ballasts... good ones use less xenon gas on start up meaning longer bulb life....

Another note too when buying your HID kit get the colour temp that YOU like best... Me I like 6000K it is whitest you can get.... the lower the 0000K number is the more yellow the higher it is the more blue/purple it is..... 4300K 6000K, 8000K are the most common in OEM applications... the first two been the most of the three....


Enjoy... .:rolleyes:

[RSZ28]

Thanks EAT30T (is that EAT rice?),

Where from do you get the proper sized xenon and ballast?



Well they have a projector lamp (as you can see) tht takes a standard size H4 globe... those globes they give you are a load of sh*t... I'll launch them straight into the bin....they're probably a great way to melt your wiring loom :rolleyes: XENON ballasts don't draw any more current than your factory halogen globes...Be careful buying high powered halogens... as mentioned above good way to melt your wiring..

I'm going to get a Proper H4 sized XENON globe and ballast setup... perhaps even BI XENON's so you can have dipped and high beam :) perfect!!!

There is also some mob in the states that makes adapters so you can run OEM type XENON globes etc.. like D2R's in a H4 housing... I can't see the point.. I've f*cked around a bit with xenon and done lots of research... I can tell you this ... the difference between a $1000 HID kit and $1000 HID kit NONE..... only the lifespan but the outcome the same.... From what I've read.. the main difference is in the ballasts... good ones use less xenon gas on start up meaning longer bulb life....

Another note too when buying your HID kit get the colour temp that YOU like best... Me I like 6000K it is whitest you can get.... the lower the 0000K number is the more yellow the higher it is the more blue/purple it is..... 4300K 6000K, 8000K are the most common in OEM applications... the first two been the most of the three....


Enjoy... .:rolleyes:

[EAT-30T]

Thanks EAT30T (is that EAT rice?),

Where from do you get the proper sized xenon and ballast?

EAT as in = eat 3 litre turbo :)

Old VL calais looked like a VL turbo but had a supercharged intercooled HSV 185i motor under the bonnet.. the reactions it use to get were pricesless! :D

524

525

Now owned by PSI 05L on this forum... my dear friend Neil :o !! Who also done the body on my camaro ;)



As for the XENON kits I've got a few from hong kong. they only cost about $100 all up..... got a few of em now.... they work flawlessly!

[RSZ28]

EAT as in = eat 3 litre turbo :)

Old VL calais looked like a VL turbo but had a supercharged intercooled HSV 185i motor under the bonnet.. the reactions it use to get were pricesless! :D

Now owned by PSI 05L on this forum... my dear friend Neil :o !! Who also done the body on my camaro ;)



As for the XENON kits I've got a few from hong kong. they only cost about $100 all up..... got a few of em now.... they work flawlessly!

Ahhhh.....so. I understand now. Very nice. That must've hauled. Hong Kong Xenon kits on ebay?

[EAT-30T]

Ahhhh.....so. I understand now. Very nice. That must've hauled. Hong Kong Xenon kits on ebay?


Yeah not too bad.. use to be my daily.... 12 sec E.T.'s on street tyres and everyday reliability... I was building another one going all out but bailed on it for my true love.... 69 camaro's!!! Didn't regret it one bit!


Yeah thats them eBay XENON kits... seriously no bull sh*t they are the bomb!! I can give you the link to the seller I get em off!!!

[EAT-30T]

http://www.detroitspeed.com/productpages/indproduct/electricalprod/driver_headlights_prod.htm

Also just found those... however a little steep

[RSZ28]

http://www.detroitspeed.com/productpages/indproduct/electricalprod/driver_headlights_prod.htm

Also just found those... however a little steep

Thanks EAT. Yes DSE quite x'y. Are these the HK on ebay stuff:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HID-XENON-CONVERSION-KIT-BULBS-BALLAST-H1-6000K-NEW_W0QQitemZ300200817911QQihZ020QQcategoryZ42613Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$33 plus postage of $55? Amazing value. Do you have some of these? From "diane_shop" ? Must come straight out of the factory in China. Look like good quality though.

Cheers.

[EAT-30T]

Yup just looked up my history and there the ones I have... same trick as the headlamps I guess low buying price high shipping... but as with all things its the total we must look at.... and its dirt cheap!! Yeah They are really good.. have them in my daily flawless!! So in something that wont get driven all the time even more perfect!!! Also have a set travelling now to go into old mans car..

[EAT-30T]

PS - I've found another set of the those headlamps for just over $50 USD shipped!!!

[EAT-30T]

PS - I've found another set of the those headlamps for just over $50 USD shipped!!!

Okay just got off my ass and just ordered those projector lamps, I'll also be ordering the xenon kit to suit... I'll keep you's posted! :)

[lm1]

yes please, coz holding a candle at the front of my car would be brighter! :D

[EAT-30T]

Well... Most of you's should know me by now... 10 years in between updates :rolleyes: I'm diggin the grave here... I got thos ebay type projectors and well.... they are okay I guess... BUT I'm gonna need to modify my headlamp buckets substantially... I don't really want to do that.. so I have emailed DSE about their ones.....see below... I so need to finish this car!!!!!!! Grrrr...


http://www.detroitspeed.com/productpages/indproduct/electricalprod/driver_headlights_prod.htm

Also just found those... however a little steep

[RAW454]

Dunno if anyone had a look at (or was the person who bought) these
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250380667178 ...but I did my first photoshop mockup to see what they'd look like (& accidentally 'squished' the width of may car along the way :rolleyes: )
1542

Can see why I didn't bid... :D Lost the old-school toughness immediately. Even on a pro-tourer reckon they'd be odd/bit tacky up close (in black like this)

[RSZ28]

Dunno if anyone had a look at (or was the person who bought) these
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250380667178 ...but I did my first photoshop mockup to see what they'd look like (& accidentally 'squished' the width of may car along the way :rolleyes: )
1542

Can see why I didn't bid... :D Lost the old-school toughness immediately. Even on a pro-tourer reckon they'd be odd/bit tacky up close (in black like this)

Nice pix. Good positioning. :cool:

Yah that looks odd. :eek:

What wheels/rubber do you have on the front & rear?

:)

[RAW454]

What wheels/rubber do you have on the front & rear?

:)

Centreline Autodrags. Fronts are 225/60 on 15x6 & Rears are beefy 275/60 on 15x8.5. No idea of backspace etc, but happy to try & find out if need.

[RSZ28]

Centreline Autodrags. Fronts are 225/60 on 15x6 & Rears are beefy 275/60 on 15x8.5. No idea of backspace etc.

Thx!

[EAT-30T]

Okay.. now I'm hangin out to get some GOOD headlamps.. HELP?

[cluxford]

Kurt those $50 jobs didn't work??

[RAW454]

I'm keen for something decent too if any solutions found...

[EAT-30T]

Kurt those $50 jobs didn't work??

I could get em to work.. but don't feel as though I could be bothered they are not 100% up to my fussy standards..... DSE wanted $150 to ship me a pair of their already pricey headlamps. :( They were nice though they take a late model 9003 globe.. :)

Might get em shipped to Dan and then ship to me worse casE!!

[J.J.]

the more you update with modern parts the more charcter is lost from the cars IMO. my camaro has weak yellow lights, doors that need a bit of encouragement to open and close, indicators that talk to you when you operate them, and i wouldn't want it any other way. Its like a time warp back to the 60's.

[RAW454]

Haha.. You are actually onto something there dude.

I drove my jigger to work last week at 6am in freezing darkness, ultra thick fog, dampish cold roads with a BBC torque & tight unfamiliar LSD sending me sideways anytime I wasn't gentle as a mouse... all with pissweak lights pointing in random directions. It was one of the most enoyable commutes I've ever had!

Sure as hell woke me up some! :D (Which a snoozer like me needed at that hour :p)

[EAT-30T]

I hear what ya sayin J.J. .. however being a ground up rebuild.. there is no way in hell I'm gonna put in the scratched and dull ****ty lights that I have.. if I can find something better new... of course I'm gonna do it :)

[EAT-30T]

I have ordered another set of headlamps today.. should get em tomorrow morning.. lets see how these one go?

[EAT-30T]

We have another failure to proceed... lol

I ordered a pair of Auto Loc Snake eyes

http://hotrodpartsrus.com/images/1899.jpg

Pretty much the same as my eBay ones really....


Would anyone be interested in doing a GP on the DSE ones with me?

[EAT-30T]

2 + years later this **** is still haunting me...

Has anyone retro fitted late model lighting?

need High/Low beams obviously too!

[qik66]

I have been looked into this headlight thing lately, but for a different reason, I have a company supplied 4WD to drive to and from work, it’s only 550k each way so a lot of night driving and the standard hilux headlights are not up to it! I was looking at fitting a HID kit and happened to run into the Phillip’s rep at the shop I was looking to buy. He talked me out of fitting the $1000-00 plus HID kit for a set of what are called PLUS80 H4 bulbs! These are rated at 55/60w but claim to be 80% brighter! As he pointed out the biggest problem with the retro fit HID kits is that they put the centre of the light source in the wrong position therefore the light is out of focus to produce the best beam. The light that they produce is great and i can tell the difference after fitting them, the huge advantage is when on low beam as it is a lot brighter and easier to see!
What I intend to fit to mine is to get a set of good quality Hella 7” H4 headlight reflector and a set of the PLUS80 bulb, wired through a relay to give me new car quality lighting

[UNRULY]

I installed the crystal lenses onto my 68. Easy as pie. Bought them of ebay aus for around $45. H4 globes fit and the plug is the same. And they kick butt at night, just as good as any late model car.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/lx406/headlights003.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/lx406/headlights002.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nissan-Patrol-Maverick-GQ-MQ-7-Round-Clear-Head-Lights-/230392715698?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a479d9b2

[EAT-30T]

mate did you have to modify the headlamp mounting bucket at all?

[Twisted67]

I installed the crystal lenses onto my 68. Easy as pie. Bought them of ebay aus for around $45. H4 globes fit and the plug is the same. And they kick butt at night, just as good as any late model car.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/lx406/headlights003.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/lx406/headlights002.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nissan-Patrol-Maverick-GQ-MQ-7-Round-Clear-Head-Lights-/230392715698?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a479d9b2

I've got the same ones,real happy with em and got from auto1.
you might be able to see em in my avatar photo??
Paul

[67SS502]

yeah i did the same brought 7 inch H4 Hella ones and placed them in, a piece of piss. they also came with 100/55 watt H4 globes kick butt at night too.

[UNRULY]

mate did you have to modify the headlamp mounting bucket at all?
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There was a little bit of angle grinder action, but not too much.

[67SS502]

from the factory they came with 7 inch round sealed beams, so it fitted perfectly no mod what so ever

[EAT-30T]

Reason I ask is the ones I had bought are larger in the back and need to modify the headlamp bucket to get them in... probably just poorly designed!

I think I will pick up a set of these.. they look fairly good!

[cluxford]

I bought these from Summit.

Not installed yet obviously but basically same as Unruly. 7" crystal bucket with H4 globes. I bought the larger wattage globes, but can't remember what size

US$91 for the pair (with H4 globes)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-899250/?rtype=10

[71RS]

I bought these from Summit.

Not installed yet obviously but basically same as Unruly. 7" crystal bucket with H4 globes. I bought the larger wattage globes, but can't remember what size

US$91 for the pair (with H4 globes)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-899250/?rtype=10

Only thing about buying from the States is do they "dip" to the right or left? Just wondering about the legalities and compliance?

[67SS502]

make sure you run a relay for each low and high beam or you will burn out switches and or wires